I had a great time in the New Relic studios in San Francisco recording Systematic this week. I was joined by not one, but two awesome guests: Dave Hamilton of Mac Observer and Mac Geek Gab (and the Macworld All Star band), and Moisés Chiullan of ScreenTime and the Electric Shadow Network.

We talked about drummers, networking and routers and a lighting round of top three picks. Check out the episode at 5by5!