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Jason Rehmus, freelance editor and writer, joined me this week to talk about — among other things — his own story of changing his own life on his own terms. It’s a great example of the “Midwest work ethic.” I know, people everywhere work hard, but us upper-Midwest folk take pride in the reputation. I can’t explain it.

I’ve worked with Jason before — he helped me build and edit the documentation in the current version of Marked (and recently guest-posted here). It was a pleasure to finally get to talk to him just for fun! Check it out at 5by5.