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My friend and co-worker Erik Sagen was this week’s guest on Systematic. It was one of the most random and twisting conversation I’ve ever recorded, but there were some gems that came out of it. Above all, I got to use a line from Saved. That was almost as much fun as slipping a line from Rushmore in when my wife was on.

Erik is an expert web designer. If you’ve ever visited TUAW, Joystiq, Massively or Engadget, you’ve seen some of his work. He’s also a father, a voice actor and a great guy who doesn’t have a mean bone in his body. Seriously. When he thinks he’s being cruel, he’s acting like me when I think I’m being sweet…

Check out the episode at 5by5.