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I was overtired and feeling a bit sick, but talking with Nick Sousanis today perked me right up. He’s completing a dissertation at Columbia entirely as a comic book, and is as interesting as you would expect someone attempting that to be.

We talked comics, creativity, learning and some great Top Picks. Thanks to Nick for making the time, and best of luck on the dissertation! Check out the episode at 5by5.