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I had a great time talking with Brett Kelly (@inkedmn) this week. He’s recently gone independent, so it was another great chance for me to bounce some ideas about my own new work life off someone in the same boat (and maybe even offer some advice…).

Mathematics, vaping, and note-taking tools were all fair game. Check out the episode at 5by5!